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about gun violence in america. >> "hannity" starts right now. >> welcome to "hannity." tonight new poll shows that donald trump continues to dominate the republican field. plus it also reveals that vice president joe biden, crazy uncle joe decides to enter the 2016 race, hillary clinton's candidacy could be in huge trouble. standing by the hannity billboard, "fox & friends" host ainsley earhardt, not good news for hillary. >> this is true. let's look at these polls. another impressive showing for donald trump in the latest quinnipiac poll. the billionaire businessman leads with 28%. he is up 8 percentage points from just last month. dr. ben carson is the only other candidate who is registering in double-digits with 12%. jeb bush and marco rubio each follow with 7%. the governor scott walker checks in with 6%. now, sean, this same poll could give vice president joe biden

yet another reason to challenge hillary clinton for the democratic nomination. biden is actually better liked by democratic voters than clinton is. 83% of the voters have a favorability rating of the vice president, 6% view him unfavorably. when it comes to hillary clinton, 76% said that they view the former secretary of state favorably and 11% have an unfavorable view. oso, sean, we'll have to see if strong support like this factors into biden's decision. we're going to be keeping a close eye on it, and we of course will let you know. you think he is getting in, right? >> i don't think there's any doubt. i think he is being pushed by obama. we're going get to that later. thanks, ainsley. >> you're welcome. >> joining me now by 2016 republican presidential candidate marco rubio is with us. senator, there is some good news in here. not only is he tied for third, they've had match-ups. biden versus trump, bush and you. did you the best. same thing. you were the only one to beat

bernie sanders. of the two candidates. so in match-ups, you do really well. but not as well in the general poll. why do you think that is? >> yeah. i don't know. it doesn't matter at this stage. other than the fact that it is determining who gets into the debate. the bottom line is this is a campaign. august or september, october, november, december, five full months lie ahead. think about five months ago. what the polls said. so the important thing is for someone like me who is running for president, to go around the country and tell people what it is i stand for. what i will do if they give me the chance to be in the highest honor of the land. and then ultimately, our voters get to decide. they do so in individual state, of course starting in iowa. that's what i'm going to focus on. that's what really matters. that's what decides this race. i'm excited about the chance to be part of it. >> hillary clinton was viewed by 61% of voters, the highest number ever, being dishonest and untrustworthy when the poll was asking, what word first comes to mind when you think of hillary

clinton, the first three were liar, dishonest and untrustworthy. so between that and the e-mail server scandal, how much trouble do you think she is in? >> well, it's a very serious issue. look, there are people who have been charged with criminal offenses for less. on top of that, it's just highly irresponsible. look, i'm on the intelligence committee. i have access to highly classified information of the same level that she had access to. and we would never put that in an e-mail. quite frankly, you only look at that in a secure environment or on paper in a secure environment. you never e-mail that stuff around. someone did something very wrong here. she should have known when it she saw it and her staff should have known better. staff that she superadvised. it showed sloppiness and incompetence. perhaps even criminality in regard to why there needs to be an investigation. i am glad to see the fbi is taking it more seriously. >> i'm sure as a candidate you probably get tired of answering questions about donald trump. i personally think there is a reason for the trump tsunami that is in part is the republican party's blame.

2014 they ran on the idea that they would stop the president's illegal, unconstitutional executive amnesty. they ended up funding it. they still never repealed and replaced obamacare. use the power of the purse. do you think those are the factors that have angered republican voters so much? >> yeah. beyond it, i would say look at this. three of the last four elections have been change elections. obviously in weight, that that was the theme of the obama campaign. in 2010 when i was elected, it was a massive counter reaction to what obamacare had done. in 2014, once again, the american people voted for change. and nothing has changed. so people are upset. they see everything goes up in prices. their paychecks are stagnant. america is getting weaker in the world, and people are angry, and rightfully so. and the question is what do we do with that ainger? my answer is we need to channel that ainger into activism. we can't let it define us. for example as republicans. we do need to let it motivate us to finally do something. that is why this is so important. this is not just about who you like more. we can't afford, we literally as

a nation cannot afford four to eight more years of the same stuff. hillary clinton or bernie sanders or joe biden for that matter, they're all running on the promise not just to continue the obama policies, but to expand them. we can't afford that as a country. we just can't. >> senator, when i interview you the day you got into this race, i asked you about immigration. it is now become a huge issue in this campaign. you said to me that comprehensive immigration reform is impossible because the american people don't trust us. and you said, you support securing the border first. can you tell us specifically what that border security would be? should anybody who didn't respect our laws and sovereignty be ever granted citizenship? >> well, first of all, let's start with you asking the question. that's how to secure the border. we know how to do that. and we've done it in some parts of the border, and not enough because people are still coming in. it requires more fencing and

building a wall. but it also requires more sensors, more personnel, et cetera. that alone won't be enough. as i said repeatedly, four out of ten illegal immigrants entered the country on a visa, and they overstayed it. that's why you need a mandatory e-verify system so you can't get a job if you're here illegally. that's why you need entry exit tracking system. until you do that and it is in place, and it is actually working, you won't do anything else. anyone who believes we can move on this in some massive piece of legislation at this point, after two illegal actions that you've outlined and the problem at the border a year ago with minors, they're delusional if they think we can move forward on this with one massive piece of legislation. now, you asked about the people that are here illegally. look, i think if we do that, the first thing i outline, the border security and it's working, and then we have to do something else first too. and that's we have to modernize the legal immigration system. we can't continue to allow

people to come here based on family connections. it has to be based on merit. on what you can contribute economically. after we've done those two things, i think people will be reasonable about what do you do with someone who is not a criminal? if they're a criminal, they have to leave. if they're not a criminal, they're willing to pay a fine, pay taxes, they get a work permit and that's all they'll have for a very long time. and that's -- some people say forever. i don't think you can get to that part of debate until you've done the other two things. let's see how the other two things work first. is what people are saying. >> senator, this iranian deal, and i know you care a lot about national security. we're going give the number one state sponsor of terror $150 billion. they're going to continue to spin their centrifuges. they continue to threaten the united states and the wipe israel off the map. they'll build more conventional weapons. they made a deal with russia about a missile defense system. and they'll continue to build their icbms. how can you stop this horrible deal that will allow this radical rogue islamic regime nuclear weapons? is there a path to stop it? >> yeah.

because the president -- this is not a treaty. it's not binding. it's not even law. the law is sanctions against iran. the current president will use the national security waiver. in law to wave the sanctions. on my first day as president, we're going to reimpose them. i said it here in south carolina. people who vote for me long they are voting to repeal the deal with iran on day number one. not just impose the american sanctions that we have in place. increase them. and back it up with a credible threat of military forceful in essence, as long as you're spinning centrifuges, we will have crippling sanctions on you. and if you try to build a weapon, we will destroy your program. by the way, one of the most effective weapons against iran in this fight is to allow america to drill for more oil and to export it. today we are banled from exporting. we export more oil to japan and india and other countries that are buying from iran, that will also hurt the iranian regime. >> senator, you mentioned five months and a week left until the iowa caucuses on february 1.

when do the polls start mattering to you? when do you start to believe they're real? >> well, ultimately, we've had elections in this country where the polls have been off. certainly as you get closer, you're talking to someone who was 60 points down when i ran for the u.s. senate. it really didn't start to matter until later. i think if there are information pieces in these polls are that relevant. but ultimately, americans in these early states in particular have shown a trend over the last few years of making up their mind near the end. what we're excited about, we think we have a message that really appeals to a lot of americans. many republicans. it sells conservatism. it applies to principles of limited government. to the challenges of the 21st century. we're very confident what that is going to mean in january and february of this year. >> all right, senator marco rubio. good do see you. we'll see you out on the campaign trail, sir. thank you for being with us. coming up next on "hannity" -- >> so it talks about, the whole thing witness the spanish journalists. if you call him a journalist. i don't. he is an advocate. >> donald trump is keeping his feud with jorge ramos.

by calling him out on the campaign trail. when we come back, laura ingram, geraldo rivera, they're here. they'll debate it. and hillary clinton. has she been honest about her server and the scandals? voters don't seem to think so. wait until you hear the harsh words that voters polled used to describe her. that's straight ahead. music ♪

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stop in south carolina. he took shots at his citizen even got a member of the audience to feel and pull his hair. watch this. >> trump gets earful in spanish as latino outlets, it talks about, the whole thing i had with the spanish journalist. if you call him a journalist. i don't. he is an advocate. so they say here this is a different person. front page. ricardo sanchez, known as el mndrial on his hispanic drivetime radio in los angeles has taken to calling donald j. trump el hombre de pelaquin. in other words, the man of the toupee. this is on the front page. i don't wear a toupee. is it mine? look. >> it is. >> it is. say it. please. >> yes, i believe it is. >> thank you. >> when the candidate erupted at

jorge ramos, the main anchor at a univision, who by the way i'm suing for 500 million. so i'm standing there. i'm saying go ahead, go ahead. this guy starts screaming at the top of his lungs. it was unfair to the other reporters. most of them have reported that. >> here with reaction editor-in-chief laura ingram, fox news senior correspondent geraldo rivera. he was rude. he is not a journalist, not a reporter. i'm talking about jorge ramos. he came in with an agenda. he was interruptive. that's not how press conferences work. >> first of all, i want to feel your hair. i want to pull it. i want to see what's real. all right. you're real. >> real, real. pull it. >> so is mine. >> i still believe the point of that exchange, or that encounter between jorge ramos and donald trump is not who was right, who is wrong. he is a journalist, a commentator, he is an advocate. that's not the point. the point is a republican cannot

win the white house without a substantial percentage of the latino vote. >> so either you support illegal immigration or you lose latino vote? >> there is a compassionate way to be hard on illegal immigrants by focusing on the criminal immigrant. there's a way to do it. i begged him. >> you soften the language. are you in support of a wall? >> if you want to waste a trillion dollars, go ahead. build the wall. spend 200,000. >> he can't do that. build a big enough wall. two layers, three layers, and and you add sensors and lasers. >> you're not talk about berlin here. you're talking about a 2,000-mile border. >> all right. laura, i thought it was perfect slam-dunk. he had the perfect tone and cadence. >> i think that jorge should carry around the face cloth. because he was totally faced by trump in that encounter. it's so obvious, geraldo. look, we love you, but it's

obvious jorge came to slay the trump dragon. well, we flew to dubuque and we were going to make our statements and our stand. number one, he didn't ask questions. he said you can't build a wall. you can't deport people. you can't. so he was making a statement, as i with on television, or a commentator or pundit. that's fine. he wants to make a statement, he can make a statement. but don't pretend that you're there and you're somehow representing all latino people. let me tell you a quick anecdote. on my radio show today, i had a number of hispanic voters call in and say laura, a lot of hispanic voters who are not from mexico don't consider univision the imprimtur of latino thought. the comments are really diverse. there are a lot of people who say jorge, back off. and one of them i translated. >> trust me, latinos are getting a very negative view of donald

trump because of his bellicose nature. >> what they said in one of the comments, sean, was with friends like jorge, who needs enemies. so a lot of latinos are very conflicted about his grandstanding approach, and as he one note johnny on this issue. you can't deport people. you can't really punish anyone who crosses the border illegally. it is all a compassionate deal. and that's his fine. that's his opinion. that's fine. i say go to the american people and explain how this mass immigration of an illegal nature has made their lives better. and i think most people think it hasn't. >> jorge ramos is not running for president. many viewers have never seen jorge ramos. >> he was on the coffer of "time" magazine. what are you talking about? >> this is about donald trump. this is about a man who gives his own odds right now at 25 to 30% that he will be the president of the united states. i'm telling you the odds are zero unless he gets a higher percentage of latino voters than

he is now attracting. >> geraldo, why you dividing americans? geraldo, why are you dividing americans? >> let me interrupt a second. what you're saying is that if all hispanic latino voters, either you support illegal immigration. you give amnesty, or we're not going to vote for you. i don't believe that. >> trump didn't need you to defend him against jorge ramos. >> that's what i'm speak:00. >> hillary clinton now with e-mailgate. do you think she answers questions when she's at those gaggles? people say secretary clinton, what about the thing? >> she doesn't answer. >> this would be the equivalent. of me or laura going into the debate. >> the thought that donald trump needs protection against a reporter. >> no, i don't. it was knockout. he crushed him. >> geraldo, geraldo, i have a question for geraldo. geraldo, did you complain when that guy neil monroe, when he shouted that question out to president obama in the rose garden a year and a half, two years ago? because i remember every

reporterer how dare he disrupt the decorum in the rose garden when the president was trying to -- everyone was jumping all over neil monroe. >> i think i did complain. it wasn't my passionate issue. >> case closed. >> is the decorum of the rose garden compared to a gaggle or a press conference in iowa? come on, laura. there are rules. they're not shouting in the churches either. >> ramos went back to univision with his tail between his legs. >> do wow want to win or do you want to make a point? >> yes. great. he has to beat hillary clinton, not jorge ramos. >> right. >> focus on the issue. speak more kindly of a population that is largely the vast majority of whom are law-abiding, hard working people. speak more intelligentry. deal with the issue. and don't -- you don't let -- >> you're doing what jorge does. here's what i'll say. dividing americans among ethnic lines and racial lines and economic lines is getting really old.

to a lot of people. and i think what trump and ted cruz and carly fiorina and ben carson are all tapping into is this idea of bringing the country together and having policies that benefit all people. latinos, blacks, white, et cetera. >> i hear that. how successful have the republican party been so far in attracting a diverse following? how successful? or is it largely the party of white america in a country no longer just a white america? >> well, geraldo, i will say i think the establishment gop has failed abysmally in growing the party. i completely agree with>> how a point of agreement? we'll leave there it. >> yeah, i like that. i like laura. she is feisty. >> coming up, liar, the untrustworthy and dishonest. those are the top three words the voters now use to describe hillary clinton. 51% think she is dishonest and untrustworthy. ed henry is with the campaign.

he'll give us the reaction tonight. and then later -- >> there are some common sense things that only congress should do that we know would have a tangible impact in reducing gun violence. >> just hours after yesterday's horrific shooting in virginia, we've got the president and hillary clinton rushing to politicize a tragedy once again. we'll have reaction with sheriff david clark, and much more as "hannity" continues. when it comes to small business, she's in the know. so strap yourselves in for action flo! small business edition. oh, no! i'm up to my neck in operating costs! i'll save the day! for plumbers and bakers and scapers of lawn, she's got insurance savvy you can count on. you chipped my birdbath! now you're gonna pay! not so fast! i cover more than just cars and trucks. ♪ action flo did somebody say "insurance"? children: flo! ♪ action flo

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compared republicans to terrorists? >> she did, sean, because she is trying to go on offense, clearly trying to change the subject from the e-mail flap that just won't go away. that's reflected in the quinnipiac poll where voters are still not finding her honest and trustworthy. it's something this campaign is going to have to deal with. look at this image of the shot, a still image of the crowd there is a lot of open space there. a lot of green there. case western reserve university. she had 2,500 people. why is that important? it suggests an enthusiasm gap. think about it. bernie sanders has had events with over 20,000 people, rallies. big events. donald trump last week, 29,000 people in alabama. this is the former secretary of state. the inevitable democratic front-runner many thought who was going to be the likely nominee. she is still leading the horse race in the quinnipiac poll, but she is struggling because of this fiasco. and you're right. she did go after republicans. she named marco rubio on

abortion. she mentioned jeb bush and compared some of the gop candidates to terrorists. listen. >> extreme views about women? we expect that from some of the terrorist groups. we expect that from people who don't want to live in the modern world. but it is a little hard to take coming from republicans. who want to be the president of the united states. >> now, the republican national committee immediately charged that this attack was a new low for her flailing campaign. she should apologize immediately after her inflammatory rhetoric. that from allison moore at the rnc. clearly there's no apology from the clinton camp. she wants to try to go on offense here. she doesn't want to play any more defense over the e-mail issue. something i found out when i tried to get her to talk about the fbi investigation. watch this. >> secretary clinton, have you been contacted by the fbi yet? are you willing to talk to the

fbi? >> thank you. >> have you been contacted by the fbi yet? >> she didn't answer the question. she didn't even make eye contact with me on that rope line. she just did not want to go there. that's why the door is now wide open for vice president joe biden to potentially get into there race. in that quinnipiac poll, he was beating a lot of republicans head to head. doing better than hillary clinton. beating donald trump by a few points. beating jeb bush by a few points. we'll see if his numbers come down if he actually gets in. there's a halo around joe biden. because hillary clinton is suffering so much that he is being seen by a lot of democrats as a potential savior. sean? >> and one of the greatest exchanges. it will go down in history. it will be studied in political science class. did you wipe your server clean? you mean with a cloth? that was your exchange. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> and joining me, democratic strategist, doug, julie is with

us. doug, i'll start with you. liar, dishonest, untrustworthy. then untruthful, deceitful, corrupt, crooked, cheat, deseptemberive, arrogant, chief, devious. there were some good words in. but not many. the top three. again, liar, dishonest and untrustworthy. how do you win the presidency if that is the perception? that's the first word that comes to mind unsolicited by voters? >> sean, the word i would use is front-runner. she is leading the democratic over joe biden who is running third. >> joe biden is doing better against republicans than she is. >> sean, if i could finish. >> yeah. >> he is the vice president of the united states. he's been for six, seven years now. the fact that he is running third does not augur well for his candidacy. clearly i've made it clear to you and to others that this is a real problem for hillary clinton. calling republican terrorists is a mistake.

changing her story on e-mail a mistake. she still doesn't have a consistent narrative. what she does have is the lead in the democratic primary, clearly. and she is very competitive with the republicans. while i certainly think her candidacy is in crisis, i'm not ready to count her out, not by a long shot. >> julie, add to those words. clinton is not honest and trustworthy. 61% of voters do not think she is honest and trustworthy. >> it's really a problem for her. i'm not going to pretend it is not a problem for her. you should read what some of the voters said about jeb bush. read the donald trump one. the worst thing about bush. bush. that's it. donald trump, blowhard, arrogant. >> so did hillary. >> none of these people are auguring well. it's not like she is operating in a vacuum and other people have a deal around them. >> she has the worst score ever of anybody on honesty and trustworthiness. a major problem. >> i don't disagree with you. that is a major problem. >> joe biden leaked the phone

call to elizabeth warren. he didn't have to let the world know. josh earnest went out of his way. the best political decision that president obama ever made, ever is crazy uncle joe. of course that shows that he has confidence in his ability to do top job. it seems obama is pushing biden and has taken sides. >> i don't think obama is pushing biden. >> he went out on his own. >> listen, joe biden is going through a horrible point in his life right now. do you think josh earnest is going to start piling on him when he barely buried his son? >> there's a difference between piling on and pushing. don't you think someone gave a wink and a nod to josh earnest to say the greatest political decision he ever made was crazy uncle joe? >> well, i would say this. julie roginsky is a friend of mine, somebody i have enormous respect for. but on this one, sean, i agree with you 100%. >> all right, thanks, guys. i appreciate you being here. coming up next here on

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welcome back to "hannity." just hours after a deranged gunman murdered two local tv journalists live on the air in virginia, prominent democrats all across the country, well, they tried to politicize the tragedy. naturally, that included president obama. he told a local tv station, what we know is the number of people who die from gun-related incidents around the country dwarfs any deaths that happen from terrorism.

president obama was not alone in using this tragedy to advance a political agenda, and that of course being a pro gun control agenda. watch this. >> we have got to do something about gun violence in america. and i will take it on. >> while there is no piece of legislation that will end all violence in this country, there are some common sense things that only congress can do that we know would have a tangible impact in reducing gun violence in this country. >> there are individuals in this country who should not be allowed to own a firearm. and it is just to me common sense and just tragic that this kind of legislation cannot be passed and signed into law. >> here now with reaction, milwaukee county sheriff, our friend david clark is back with us. sheriff, we know this guy had a history of being unstable. there were warning signs everywhere and they've been there a long time. to me this isn't a gun issue. this is a mental health issue. thoughts?

>> shame on the left, shame on the democrats for once again exploiting misery and tragedy to pursue a political agenda. shame on the president of the united states to invoke terrorism into this horrific incident that happened in virginia. look, this is a political movement. the president knows it. everybody that you just played knows it. this document right here should not be used in knee-jerk fashion over some horrific incidents that happened in the united states. this document, the constitution, protects freedom and liberty. it does not prevent horrific acts done by human beings. if we really want to do something, if this is really about reducing gun violence, if it was really about reducing crime of we know how to do that. identify the bad guys. you arrest the bad guys. you adjudicate them. once they're convicted you lock them up for the longest period of time allowed by law. barack obama, on the other hand, is letting them out the back door.

he recently visited a federal prison and pardoned 46 federal prisoners, long-time federal convicts. and he plans on doing more. so while the police and the community and the people are trying to get these individuals out of their community, he is pouring them right back in. this was a chance for the president, sean, to bring the country together. once again, the divider in chief goes out and further separates them. >> how many convicted immigrants did the department of homeland security and i.c.e. know about that after they spend time in prison, rather than deport them, they let them back on to the streets of america to commit more crimes. in many case, violent crimes. i don't feel like getting lectured by the president. what do you think we could do legally, constitutionally, for people that we know that are violence, showing signs and symptoms of instability. remember, we opened up our mental hospitals. a number of years ago, we let a

lot of people out. we said we were violating their rights. and obviously, this was a very evil, disturbed human being. >> well look, sean, as you know, terrible things happen in this world from time to time. we have to be a little more humble about our ability to prevent every horrific situation from happening. there are certain things we can do to reduce and prevent these sorts of things. not messing with this document, no. but we can do things like better mental health screening, better background checks. the fbi allowed a guy to purchase a handgun that went down, we understand, and committed a horrific act recently. so, you know, we're trying to make this absolute that none of these things will ever happen again, well, then, we're working on the wrong thing. unfortunately it's the world we live in with the evil that exists, it's going to happen. >> what does a woman do if she is being threatened by a guy, and if there is a seven day waiting period. and the threat is immediate, that her life has been threatened. what do you do in that case if she can't get a store that

protects herself and gives her a fighting chance, right? >> well, it happened recently in new jersey, a woman applied for a handgun permanent. it took forever to get it. in the meantime, a stalker boyfriend, a former boyfriend went and killed her. here is my challenge to the president of the united states if you think this so-so easy. forgo your secret service protection for you, the first lady and your children and see what it's like to have to fend for yourself, and then we'll sit down and have a conversation. do you know what we here at ground level have to deal with on daily basis in terms of self-defense. i am done asking people in my community to outsource their personal safety to the government. >> all right. sheriff, thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate your insight. when we come back, up next on "hannity" -- >> last night, who do you think they protested for? the thugs, the criminals. because they're hollering police brutality. are you [ bleep ] kidding me?

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police brutality. are you kidding me? police brutality? how about black brutality? a little girl is dead. you say black lives matter? her life mattered. her dreams mattered. her future mattered. her promises mattered. it mattered. on channel 4, channel 2, channel 5, channel 30, channel 11. same old thing. murder, murder, murder, murder. murder. black on black murder. but yet [ bleep ] are out there tearing up your own [ bleep ]. it's not your [ bleep ] for a criminal. for a thug. >> all right that was peggy hubbard. her epic rant against black lives matter.

that movement went viral. over 10 million people watched it. we had her on the show earlier this week and she is not the only person raising red flags. about these so-called activists and their tactics. last night we had 2016 candidate senator rand paul on as a guest. and he is making headlines for saying this. >> i think they should change their name maybe. if they were all lives matter, or innocent lives matter. i am about justice. frankly, i think a lot of poor people in our country and many african americans are trapped in this war on drugs. and i want to change it. but commandeering the microphone, bullying people and pushing people out of the way i think really isn't a way to get their message across. >> joining me now, the democratic strategist richard fowler. as i look back the numbers, deroy, it's pretty clear. about 100 black americans will be killed in incidents with police on any given year.

those are pretty standard numbers. what are the numbers for black on black crime? which we don't hear about. >> much higher, sean. the numbers are about 56 times higher. about 5,000, 6,000 people are killed by black people every year, black people a year. about 56 times higher. of that hundred you mentioned, justified, unjustified, male, female. even if you assume those were all unarmed people who were killed unjustifiably by the cops you have 56 times more black people being killed by other black people. i the black lives matter people talk about that. if black lives really matter, they'll talk about the 56 times more innocent black people are killed by other black people, not by a white cop or racism or cops or anything else like that. >> if it's 56 times more where it happens where it's black-on-black crime, why hasn't anyone marched about that? why it is always the limited, the few incidents where cops are involved? why is there such outrage and then total ignoring of the majority of cases? why is that?

>> they just look completely the other way. i think the black lives matter organization is on the left and the left wing narrative that white racist cops are shooting down black men and shooting them for laughs like it's duck season there are a handful of cases. eric gardner's case, michael brown, et cetera, those turned out not to be according to the department of justice, at least the michael brown and the trayvon martin case, a couple of other high profile ones, they didn't file civil rights charges. i don't know where the racism. what you don't hear about are the people unnamed like the 10 people killed i think over the fourth of july weekend in chicago. gunned down by other blacks. no marches, no protesters, boycotts, anything. >> 56 times more incidents involving black-on-black crime where. is the black lives matter movement here? why don't they show up. the girl that peggy hubbard be a was talking about was a 9-year-old girl killed in her own bedroom while doing her homework. where is the marching for those incidents? where are the marching and where

is the justice for those people? >> sean, i was in st. louis last week, and actually, there was a march for this young girl in her community, in her neighborhood. maybe peggy hubbard missed it. but i was there and i saw it. and a police officer -- i'm telling you what happened. >> weighs in entree von and cambridge and michael brown where. is the president on these incidents? >> listen, listen, sean, attend of this day, this is what it boils down to. yes, black-on-black is a problem. but black on black crime is just as much as a problem as white on black crime. the fact that the black lives matter movement, we're talk about about it on your show and yesterday the day before this movement truly -- >> governor o'malley says black lives matter. white lives matter. all lives matter. and i'm so sorry, i didn't mean to say all lives matter. do all lives matter to you? >> all lives do matter. but what is in question is, in that particular event was in question do black lives truly matter. i think a lot of americans, whether they're black, whether

they're white, straight, gay, they're asking that question. do black lives really matter? if you could choke somebody for 11 minutes in new york city and you could walk away from the crime or better yet, if you could shoot a 12-year-old in the face in cleveland and walk away from the crime, or better yet you could shoot walter scott in his back while he was running away from the police and walk away from the crime. >> that shows that black lives don't matter. >> but the point is that -- >> the eric garner case was adjudicated when they choked him to death. >> more likely it's going to be an incident of black on black crime, and you don't hear a peep from president obama or any of these politicians about it. >> we start having a march about white on white crimes. >> you don't see the black lives matter people attack bernie sanders and say look, bernie, we want you to talk on black on black crime. they prevent him from speaking and completely step away interest the podium. i hear this response. we talk about black on black crime. well, there is also white on white crime there is like going to a doctor and the doctor says to the black man, i'm sorry, you have bad news. and he said it doesn't matter,

white people get lung cancer too. we do have a problem which is black people shooting other black people. but the focus on the part of black lives matter is not to pay any attention whatsoever. they focus on a small number of cases. >> the distinction is people -- serve ready going around gunning down black people. >> all right. we got to leave there it. >> we're just out of time. i'm limited in what the clock allowed me. anyway, coming up next, we really need the audience's help. we need your help. our question of the day is next.

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